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		<title>Comment on Only a Historian by Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre, I tried to avoid discussing &quot;programming&quot; or &quot;coding&quot; because I agree with you that the level of needed skill isn&#039;t clear. But when someone says he&#039;s &quot;only a historian,&quot; it does seem to me that he&#039;s saying he doesn&#039;t have &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; such skills, and he&#039;s also denigrating them, albeit perhaps unconsciously. The model that you describe of a tech person and a humanities person does appear to be more common in Europe, but it&#039;s something that we most definitely do not do at RRCHNM. It&#039;s impossible to imagine any of our projects being conceived and built that way. On the other hand, what you say about collaboration is I think exactly right. Zotero, Omeka, etc. aren&#039;t the product of an individual academic&#039;s genius but rather built by large teams across institutions.

Trevor, this question of a &quot;toolbox&quot; is really important right now. There&#039;s a growing population of academic supervisors who are now enthusiastic about DH but don&#039;t know where to begin. We don&#039;t want to make the mistake that elementary schools do by teaching Microsoft Office 2011 to seven-year-olds to make them &quot;tech savvy,&quot; but we need to do something. I think you&#039;re absolutely right that the goal needs to be flexibility and adaptability, but that&#039;s so much easier said than done. General advice like that is a little scary because also tends to reinforce existing hierarchies of competency. If you were on the outside now looking in, you&#039;d want specific recommendations on how to get your foot in the door. Maybe the goal needs to be a little of both: here are the tools we are using &lt;em&gt;right now&lt;/em&gt; in our work that you should try, but with the caveat that things change. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a waste of time for anyone to learn Python, for example, using &lt;em&gt;The Programming Historian&lt;/em&gt; because it opens up a whole world that you and I already take for granted. I&#039;m a terrible programmer, but the work I did with HTML two decades ago gave me the confidence to muck around with Java, Visual Basic, PHP, Javascript, etc. later. That in turn gives me a much better idea of what a DH project can and should do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre, I tried to avoid discussing “programming” or “coding” because I agree with you that the level of needed skill isn’t clear. But when someone says he’s “only a historian,” it does seem to me that he’s saying he doesn’t have <em>any</em> such skills, and he’s also denigrating them, albeit perhaps unconsciously. The model that you describe of a tech person and a humanities person does appear to be more common in Europe, but it’s something that we most definitely do not do at RRCHNM. It’s impossible to imagine any of our projects being conceived and built that way. On the other hand, what you say about collaboration is I think exactly right. Zotero, Omeka, etc. aren’t the product of an individual academic’s genius but rather built by large teams across institutions.</p>
<p>Trevor, this question of a “toolbox” is really important right now. There’s a growing population of academic supervisors who are now enthusiastic about DH but don’t know where to begin. We don’t want to make the mistake that elementary schools do by teaching Microsoft Office 2011 to seven-year-olds to make them “tech savvy,” but we need to do something. I think you’re absolutely right that the goal needs to be flexibility and adaptability, but that’s so much easier said than done. General advice like that is a little scary because also tends to reinforce existing hierarchies of competency. If you were on the outside now looking in, you’d want specific recommendations on how to get your foot in the door. Maybe the goal needs to be a little of both: here are the tools we are using <em>right now</em> in our work that you should try, but with the caveat that things change. I don’t think it’s a waste of time for anyone to learn Python, for example, using <em>The Programming Historian</em> because it opens up a whole world that you and I already take for granted. I’m a terrible programmer, but the work I did with HTML two decades ago gave me the confidence to muck around with Java, Visual Basic, PHP, Javascript, etc. later. That in turn gives me a much better idea of what a DH project can and should do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Only a Historian by Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 02:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To respond to Pierre&#039;s question. I think the answer for what one needs to know is that it depends but the first step is recognizing that there is no good cop out here. As far as what historians should learn the answer is whatever it is that they need to do to make what they want to make. I feel like a core issue here is that there is not going to be a cannon of technologies or competencies. This is primarily about accepting that doing digital work is accepting that digital technologies change and morph at a rapid clip and as a result we are going to need to pick up new tech chops and skills at every turn. Thankfully, as academics we are supposed to already embrace the idea of life long learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To respond to Pierre’s question. I think the answer for what one needs to know is that it depends but the first step is recognizing that there is no good cop out here. As far as what historians should learn the answer is whatever it is that they need to do to make what they want to make. I feel like a core issue here is that there is not going to be a cannon of technologies or competencies. This is primarily about accepting that doing digital work is accepting that digital technologies change and morph at a rapid clip and as a result we are going to need to pick up new tech chops and skills at every turn. Thankfully, as academics we are supposed to already embrace the idea of life long learning.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Only a Historian by Remember the Hams &#124; Lot 49</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remember the Hams &#124; Lot 49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] attention from their “home” professional cultures, which can cause tension. Sean Takats’s recent post about professional historians addresses this tension after listening to apologies from individuals [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] attention from their “home” professional cultures, which can cause tension. Sean Takats’s recent post about professional historians addresses this tension after listening to apologies from individuals […]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Only a Historian by Day of the Digital Humanities 2012 &#124; Instituut voor Publieksgeschiedenis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Day of the Digital Humanities 2012 &#124; Instituut voor Publieksgeschiedenis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Toegang tot bronnen wil nog niet zeggen dat je ze kunt interpreteren, dat je aan geschiedenis kunt doen. Dat is een van de belangrijkste conclusies die de verzamelde digital historians in Luxemburg formuleerden. Blijkbaar is er wel degelijk een rol weggelegd voor historici, zowel binnen de DH als in de samenleving. De conclusie staat paradoxaal genoeg haaks op de verontschuldigende introductie waarmee verschillende participanten hun interventie begonnen: &#8216;I am just an Historian&#8217; werd the rolling &#8211; but not so funny &#8211; gag van de vierdaagse. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Toegang tot bronnen wil nog niet zeggen dat je ze kunt interpreteren, dat je aan geschiedenis kunt doen. Dat is een van de belangrijkste conclusies die de verzamelde digital historians in Luxemburg formuleerden. Blijkbaar is er wel degelijk een rol weggelegd voor historici, zowel binnen de DH als in de samenleving. De conclusie staat paradoxaal genoeg haaks op de verontschuldigende introductie waarmee verschillende participanten hun interventie begonnen: ‘I am just an Historian’ werd the rolling – but not so funny – gag van de vierdaagse. […]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Only a Historian by Thank you for the music … - THATCamp Luxembourg / Trier 2012</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thank you for the music … - THATCamp Luxembourg / Trier 2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sean Takats: Only a Historian [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Only a Historian by Pierre Mounier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Mounier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

thank you for your post. I am a little bit disappointed however about the conclusion which is twice negative : an historian neither needs to be a programmer nor should he be completely candid about programming skills. Ok, I have heard or read that many times ; but now, I want to know more : what type of skills does he need, exactly ? where should he stop in programming its own tools in his research projects ? designing ? coding ? prototyping ? and after that, we have other questions : what is coding exactly ? If I create a macro in Word, or a pipe in Yahoo pipes, do I code ? I need more detailed answers about that.

I guess, part of the problem in &quot;I am just an historian&quot; is not so much &quot;just an historian&quot; than &quot;I am&quot;. I guess it is very difficult to think about a standalone scholar in DH. We need to be a little bit more latourian in our understanding of this field and think about teams, networks, resource centers. May be we can discuss the idea that there is no so called &quot;digital humanist&quot; but rather digital humanities teams, projects, networks where people with different skills and backgrounds are engaged in a specific way of doing research, which imply, yes, coding. And that implies to think again about the way we present DH projects. Does it make sense to have only one person on stage, saying &quot;I am just an historian&quot; ? Personally, I like very much presentations from teams or more often &quot;couples&quot; (humanist+computer scientist) on projects. And I am particularly delighted when they begin to discuss and sometimes argue between them during their presentation, because, very often, it is the most interesting moment of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>thank you for your post. I am a little bit disappointed however about the conclusion which is twice negative : an historian neither needs to be a programmer nor should he be completely candid about programming skills. Ok, I have heard or read that many times ; but now, I want to know more : what type of skills does he need, exactly ? where should he stop in programming its own tools in his research projects ? designing ? coding ? prototyping ? and after that, we have other questions : what is coding exactly ? If I create a macro in Word, or a pipe in Yahoo pipes, do I code ? I need more detailed answers about that.</p>
<p>I guess, part of the problem in “I am just an historian” is not so much “just an historian” than “I am”. I guess it is very difficult to think about a standalone scholar in DH. We need to be a little bit more latourian in our understanding of this field and think about teams, networks, resource centers. May be we can discuss the idea that there is no so called “digital humanist” but rather digital humanities teams, projects, networks where people with different skills and backgrounds are engaged in a specific way of doing research, which imply, yes, coding. And that implies to think again about the way we present DH projects. Does it make sense to have only one person on stage, saying “I am just an historian” ? Personally, I like very much presentations from teams or more often “couples” (humanist+computer scientist) on projects. And I am particularly delighted when they begin to discuss and sometimes argue between them during their presentation, because, very often, it is the most interesting moment of it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on PressForward Joins Forces with OpenEdition by PressForward Joins Forces with OpenEdition : Global Perspectives on Digital History</title>
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		<dc:creator>PressForward Joins Forces with OpenEdition : Global Perspectives on Digital History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 21:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Adoption of “New” Media by Historians by La escritura histórica digital: teoría y práctica &#171; Clionauta: Blog de Historia</title>
		<link>http://quintessenceofham.org/2010/10/28/adoption-of-new-media-by-historians/comment-page-1/#comment-21184</link>
		<dc:creator>La escritura histórica digital: teoría y práctica &#171; Clionauta: Blog de Historia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] en línea y los archivos digitales en el curso de la producción de sus estudios, pero que no hacen uso de las muchas tecnologías diseñadas para ayudar en el análisis de datos y la composición de [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Survivorship Bias, Survivor Guilt, and Opportunity Cost by Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark and I park our cars in the same garage: the scarcity of tenure-track positions ought to be the single greatest deterrent to graduate study. And I&#039;m virtually certain that this is the kind of &quot;professor&quot; Larry tells his students they&#039;re not going to become. My interest in supplementing the scarcity argument with opportunity cost is that it forces students (and us) to think a little more imaginatively about the real costs of graduate study. I didn&#039;t walk into a high-paying job directly out of college. I temped for something like $12 an hour, which turned into a $2000/month trial period learning more substantive technical things contracted at IBM, which turned into a $4000/month &quot;normal&quot; job contracted at IBM, which turned into a higher paying direct job with IBM, which then involved further raises.

Unless BA-holders are going into finance, they&#039;re almost certainly going to bounce around in some low-paying jobs. Perhaps even more disheartening is that these will be low-responsibility jobs, too. Because students have a difficult time imagining how they&#039;ll ever make the transition from temping to something more meaningful, it&#039;s tempting to latch onto the idea of a vocational or credential-building course of study: law school, MA in education, etc. What we need to make clear is that a PhD in the humanities is not a sound path to a specific career. The opportunity cost argument is a way to demonstrate that there aren&#039;t just risks, there are costs.

I don&#039;t buy the idea that my current academic colleagues would have spent those six or eight  years of their 20s and 30s temping or working at Starbucks or whatever. Intelligence aside, we&#039;re talking about people who are highly motivated and organized. If grad school in the humanities is your &quot;only option,&quot; you haven&#039;t really considered your options.

Mark, you must know that I&#039;m sympathetic to Whitson&#039;s argument. Thanks in large part to CHNM, my department is one of the few places where non-traditional career trajectories in public history and digital history are not second-rate consolation prizes for our graduate students, who are deeply involved in grant writing and project management. It remains to be seen how transferrable or replicable this environment will be at other institutions.

I would also like to address Holger&#039;s point about selectivity. If we encourage students only to attend the most selective programs, then they&#039;re more likely to get a good job. We already know this, anecdotally from looking around our departments, and of course from the excellent work of people at the AHA, etc. But who gets into elite graduate programs? As the same researchers have shown, people from elite undergraduate programs, of course. And who attends elite undergraduate programs? And now we&#039;re back to the Anthony Grafton&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;www.tnr.com/article/politics/humanities-and-inhumanities&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;updated version of the Aryan from Darien&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark and I park our cars in the same garage: the scarcity of tenure-track positions ought to be the single greatest deterrent to graduate study. And I’m virtually certain that this is the kind of “professor” Larry tells his students they’re not going to become. My interest in supplementing the scarcity argument with opportunity cost is that it forces students (and us) to think a little more imaginatively about the real costs of graduate study. I didn’t walk into a high-paying job directly out of college. I temped for something like $12 an hour, which turned into a $2000/month trial period learning more substantive technical things contracted at IBM, which turned into a $4000/month “normal” job contracted at IBM, which turned into a higher paying direct job with IBM, which then involved further raises.</p>
<p>Unless BA-holders are going into finance, they’re almost certainly going to bounce around in some low-paying jobs. Perhaps even more disheartening is that these will be low-responsibility jobs, too. Because students have a difficult time imagining how they’ll ever make the transition from temping to something more meaningful, it’s tempting to latch onto the idea of a vocational or credential-building course of study: law school, MA in education, etc. What we need to make clear is that a PhD in the humanities is not a sound path to a specific career. The opportunity cost argument is a way to demonstrate that there aren’t just risks, there are costs.</p>
<p>I don’t buy the idea that my current academic colleagues would have spent those six or eight  years of their 20s and 30s temping or working at Starbucks or whatever. Intelligence aside, we’re talking about people who are highly motivated and organized. If grad school in the humanities is your “only option,” you haven’t really considered your options.</p>
<p>Mark, you must know that I’m sympathetic to Whitson’s argument. Thanks in large part to CHNM, my department is one of the few places where non-traditional career trajectories in public history and digital history are not second-rate consolation prizes for our graduate students, who are deeply involved in grant writing and project management. It remains to be seen how transferrable or replicable this environment will be at other institutions.</p>
<p>I would also like to address Holger’s point about selectivity. If we encourage students only to attend the most selective programs, then they’re more likely to get a good job. We already know this, anecdotally from looking around our departments, and of course from the excellent work of people at the AHA, etc. But who gets into elite graduate programs? As the same researchers have shown, people from elite undergraduate programs, of course. And who attends elite undergraduate programs? And now we’re back to the Anthony Grafton’s <a href="www.tnr.com/article/politics/humanities-and-inhumanities" rel="nofollow">updated version of the Aryan from Darien</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Survivorship Bias, Survivor Guilt, and Opportunity Cost by Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many years ago, in the 1980s, I calculated my then opportunity-cost for my PhD in History. I reckoned up about $200,000.

I would just add to this discussion that for a fair lifetime comparison, you need to consider the realistic alternative jobs for people who choose a PhD in History. It is not &quot;manager at a Hooters&quot; but similar careers requiring post-graduate education, like law. (I have often talked with students torn between law school and grad school. I have never talked with a student torn between grad school and managing a Hooters.) These careers have starting pay much higher than academia and lifetime earnings far above those for all but a tiny, tiny handful academic stars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many years ago, in the 1980s, I calculated my then opportunity-cost for my PhD in History. I reckoned up about $200,000.</p>
<p>I would just add to this discussion that for a fair lifetime comparison, you need to consider the realistic alternative jobs for people who choose a PhD in History. It is not “manager at a Hooters” but similar careers requiring post-graduate education, like law. (I have often talked with students torn between law school and grad school. I have never talked with a student torn between grad school and managing a Hooters.) These careers have starting pay much higher than academia and lifetime earnings far above those for all but a tiny, tiny handful academic stars.</p>
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